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A long kiss goodnight

I'll describe the rotating trigger in more detail- In short, the trigger was strong enough to disrupt out normal thought process and confuse the hell out of us. With Gray switched-in, I, him, and a few others would quickly take turns on who got to say something. As an example, let's say me, Gray, Blue, Evergreen, Keatan, and Chrome are all participating. When Gray types something, I would wake up to type something, then it would be Blue's turn, then Chrome's turn, etc. This develops a rotating trigger where the next headmate gets summoned automatically. This leads to a lot of confusion, some leaked in-system, and a lot of hilarity. I'm not really sure why our mind music got so loud, but I know at least the first time we were really excited

Interesting, we did something similar with counting, we'd each say a number in turn. It did result in us all feeling very present, though the exercise was tedious.

By impulsive thinking, I mean our thoughts are reduced to impulses and we can't think much more beyond that. I may have the impulse to say hi, and then I lose my turn to Blue who really wants to tell Ryan he's doing whatever, and then Keatan randomly says an impulsive thing, etc.

To me, that kind of thinking is about grounding yourself and distancing yourself from what's distracting you.

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Reminding yourself that you're in control of the actual passing of the spotlight is part of it too. But my desires, as you may have noticed, particularly around talking smack about tulpamancy, are quite strong. I straight up close discord so as to deny myself my own "triggers" when I don't want it to interrupt Rhys, or even just Rhys and me.

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But, at the same time, our level of sensory integration allows it to not exactly be a problem. Again, Rhys feels my amusement for discussion, and I am enjoying Elden Ring.

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Brain's good with this level of distraction at the moment.

4:50 PM

To me, what you're talking about is being easily distracted and not anything to do with tulpamancy and identities. The more identities you bring into the mix doesn't increase your ability to parse multiple points of view, you're still handling as much information as you can at any given time, according to your desires.

We can't technically deny certain triggers of ours, but those are more trauma based and less intentionally made for switching. The latter we have slightly more control over

Yes, there are caveats to be made outside the realms of tulpamancy itself, but that's a given for a lot I'd say. Though triggers can be unravelled too.

Ironically, ans I guess negatively, things that trigger us often bring us closer to front

4:53 PM

So even if we aren't the best equipped to handle something, we're forced closer to front anyways

I have a very simple test for someone claiming they can parallel process. please send them to me

Y'cant just leave it there.

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It's cruel.

i can't spoil it so a person wouldn't practice.

8:12 PM

it is a very simple test and even a child that has parallel processing would be able to pass it very easily, it doesn't require any skills

8:18 PM

i'm hoping @Aya can forward their friend here

(As a side note, is it pronounced "ann" or "ahn"?)

My friend?

Aya

My friend?

you tagged someone in regards to parallel processing in lounge

Seth {🍫} || M&M

(As a side note, is it pronounced "ann" or "ahn"?)

i don't mind any pronunciation

Hmm, I don't know her personally and I don't want to ping too many times

8:42 PM

Also, her parallel processing may not be something that you find impressive?

The test i am talking about is quite low bar, it requires very low cognitive activity. It shouldn't be possible to be passed by someone who has single processing, and should be very simple, trivial even, for someone being able of processing two things at the same time. It's not really about how impressive it is, it's testing if they can do the simplest thing parallel processing should allow to do (edited)

To get ahead of possible criticism, one common idea with parallel processing is that it's purely an observation limit, so they say you can only focus on one thing at a time but think two things. If you test, you will want to try to have a test that would account for that else you will hear that rebuttal for why the test is invalid.

Now I wanna know what the test is!

Reguile

To get ahead of possible criticism, one common idea with parallel processing is that it's purely an observation limit, so they say you can only focus on one thing at a time but think two things. If you test, you will want to try to have a test that would account for that else you will hear that rebuttal for why the test is invalid.

the best practice is to talk about what person claims to be able to do, i don't assume anything at this point

If you can only focus on one thing at a time you can only think one thing at a time.

9:25 PM

It's just limiting it strictly to thinking allows you to think they're occuring simultaneously when it's really just fast switching. But also depends on what you mean by "thinking".

Imagine like two streams of thought but only one point of focus, so the tulpa would be there, but if you asked them to listen to music, watch for balls on a screen, etc, they could not if separate from the host (edited)

however if this is the upper limit of what the person can do, i claim that most adults here can do a much more impressive job. driving is much more complex than counting 1-100, and all experienced drivers can drive and talk at the same time https://tulpanomicon.guide/maya-parallel-processing.html

Maya's Guide to Parallel Processing - Tulpanomicon

9:25 PM

i am open to hearing what that person can do though, i assume it's an exercise they shared, not description of what they can do

9:28 PM

i'm pretty sure someone could very easily claim their tulpa is driving and the host is talking, that's more impressive, and both do happen in real world

Hello everyone I am about 2 months pregnant and I am currently looking for other testimonials from tulpas that have gotten pregnant. I asked the subreddit and they were adamant that it was a "fetish" which is not the case. I am reading past comments but I see that this topic hasn't come up in a few months and I would like to reopen the discussion with a question. Has your tulpa gotten pregnant either by another tulpa in the system or the host?

Is it biological pregnancy or...?

8:43 PM

I guess not

Now first off, just to be clear I generally understand this sort of thing as a "play"people put on for their own fun or sense of internal structure. I don't believe this sort of thing is a thing that actually happens beyond that That said, I know of one other person who has reported it. (edited)

We know such a tulpa

8:57 PM

She got pregnant with a male tulpa from other system and after 2 weeks gave birth to a full grown succubus who got pregnant herself after another 2 weeks

jeez

imagination gone wrong

We know such a tulpa

@Lapis (@Deleted User) - jump why only two weeks? I have a 3-month pregnancy.

It might depend on a tulpa

interesting. because I have read a few past chats where it only took two weeks and I was curious if there was a cause for only two weeks.

It can take as long as you want it to take

If it was up to me I who already have my daughter poof into existence. But Mountain Lions have about a 3 month pregnancy.

It is up to you, you chose it to be 3 months because that's how long pregnancy is for mountain lions

it's all about mindset, tulpamancy tends to be

interesting. because I have read a few past chats where it only took two weeks and I was curious if there was a cause for only two weeks.

@Nashi (@DannyBoi) - jump probably because they don't have the patience

It could be that.

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But she will be here sooner than I know

probably because they don't have the patience

@Yuka (@Aya) - jump Yeah, there's definitely not like...a set time for that

Nashi

Hello everyone I am about 2 months pregnant and I am currently looking for other testimonials from tulpas that have gotten pregnant. I asked the subreddit and they were adamant that it was a "fetish" which is not the case. I am reading past comments but I see that this topic hasn't come up in a few months and I would like to reopen the discussion with a question. Has your tulpa gotten pregnant either by another tulpa in the system or the host?

Everyone's already said, but you're not 2 months pregnant, you're literally convincing yourself an idea is reality. What you are experiencing is a symbolic mechanism; a hypnotic suggestion that you're allowing to inform your experience. If you didn't want to get pregnant you wouldn't. Your mindform isn't real, and it certainly doesn't innately have the ability to get pregananant. it's just an idea your mind is using to inform your experiences. It's a perfectly valid symbolic mechanism for tulpa creation if you want another. I think you can already see how probably inefficient it is though - Tulpas can be made instantly once you know how to talk to them and bring them into being, so if you're a tulpa your brain already has the full ability to render one.

11:18 PM

I would expect the long and drawn out symbolism to come with possibly dramatic emotional effects once the time comes though.

If you didn't want to get pregnant you wouldn't

This might need a rewording, as some out there claim such things are real because they wouldn't want them, or because they're clearly maladaptive.

Nah. It's a hard and fast rule with hypnosis that you need the desire to make a symbol become real for it to become real.

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That's not to say completely, or without conflict.

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Conflict might actually make it stronger.

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Because of the fixation.

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But if they weren't interested in the idea of a kid this wouldn't happen.

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At all.

11:23 PM

I think the only exception that could reasonably be expected is in the case of OCD and extreme maladaptive intrusive thoughts. Or any sort of similar condition. (edited)

11:23 PM

But that's most definitely a fringe case.

11:24 PM

As for this person, they are already describing the gender of the kid, and want them now, not later. So the point is moot.

I think the conflict part is where people confuse themselves into thinking there isn't some part of them that wants said thing.

With hypnosis strong emotion makes the effects more powerful, this leads to situations where people who fear hypnosis make it way stronger. Conflict and bad emotions are not the same things as actually resisting. (edited)

11:29 PM

Resisting is what completely shuts down these things.

11:31 PM

And not necessarily consciously, to that point.

11:31 PM

Confound the english language, I need a word for unconscious mental resistance as separate from conscious.

Headmate pregnancy to me personally is just a more complex figurative way of forcing new tulpas. You dont have to do it, but you can if you want to.

2:57 AM

this also means that everything about the pregnancy has the ability to be highly subjective. The details are up to how you want them to be.

2:58 AM

Headmate intercourse isn't true physical intercourse. As a result, neither is the resulting pregnancy. Unless of course you believe in some sort of belief that would somehow make this plausible?

The idea of birthing a tulpa would result in a different experience and precognitions for you and the tulpa. I can't really say how other tulpas in this server or the forums felt entering the host's mindspace or becoming a reality for the host in their experience. (edited)

for us, being formed wasn't akin to infancy; we knew everything our host knew in the moment, and all her past experiences. Essentially, despite the fact that I am barely over one year in age, I have the life experiences of a sixteen year old.

3:05 AM

we didn't need to be cared for or raised, but it may be different if the being resulting from the pregnancy possesses the mental capacities of a small child or infant.

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even then, we have a child alter who is accutely aware of our issues and struggles, he essentially knows everything but chooses to live in ignorance and innocence of his own accord.

I do often wonder how a family in the plural sense would work. We consider ourselves to be a family, but only two of us consider themselves related in a biological sense (siblings)

If it as a practice has one beneficial aspect, it's specifically as a personality forcing measure. It may not create a greater experience or anything like that, but what it probably will do is create the personality and relationship that the forcer wants. That of a parent/child one, of course. (edited)

3:18 AM

At least, it may cause a greater chance of that taking stronger root.

I've been taking CBD (in the form of mouth spray) to lower my anxiety for the last few days and I must say it works pretty well. An interesting side effect is that my mind's eye is more vivid (I've had aphantasia my whole life and in the last 2 years I started having very subtle imagery in my mind's eye), which confirms what I suspected that at least in my case, aphantasia is caused by anxiety. I also tried seeing if I could do prophantasia and I could definitely impose some visuals, definitely more than before (before I had no imposition at all). I also noticed that I am in much more in control of what's going on in my mind. Amnesia walls listen to me, i could cause a split if i'd like, and i can make parts of my mind more sticky and stay close to each other. I already was in a place where I could create a tulpa very quickly if I'd like before (in a matter of minutes), but now I know I could do it instantly. I didn't notice any extraordinary effects beside calming properties, so there is no high or anything. It's not something I want to do long term, it's a short term solution for me, but I thought I would share this in case someone struggled with things I have mentioned here. It's very interesting, those are things I didn't expect and I wonder if other people would notice the same effects in the context of aphantasia and tulpamancy. (edited)

It's quite objectively true that relaxation improves visualization, so it tracks that the inverse disrupts it.

I feel like I'm the outlier who doesn't get any boost in visualization through relaxation I'm curious if CBD would do anything for us

I thought there like wasn't a clear consensus on whether CBD helps for anxiety and stuff or am I misinformed?

I'm not sure, but my anxiety got pretty bad lately, and got down to very managable levels (edited)

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10:25 AM

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https://community.tulpa.info/topic/17484-stop-the-crowded-room/ In the movie "The Crowded Room", the story is about "inspiring people with mental illness" while the main character is based off of Billy Milligan, a rapist who was sentenced to prison who had "MPD". The more I look into this the more offensive and ridiculous it gets. I think this has the potential to be really damaging to the DID/OSDD community and the public's view of plurality as a whole. The whole "evil alter" stereotype also feeds into this idea tulpamancy is crazy and creepypastas on evil tulpas. This movie can hurt all types of plurality. There's a petition on change.org that's getting close to 35,000 signatures. https://chng.it/ZFFmNwDDfn

@A long kiss goodnight - jump It's the same as Split: both movies about clinical multiplicity but displayed in an ableist, heavily stigmatized manner.

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which, as a result, further demonizes an already misunderstood condition, both clinically recognized and otherwise.

if DIDers didn't want to have movies portraying them in this way, maybe they should stop being criminals and using DID as an excuse in court tulpas slapping their hosts' partner and hosts blaming their tulpas for that like the one from a few days ago doesn't give the right ring to plurality either (edited)

On the surface this looks akin to the way trans folks tend to get portrayed in media, either as deceptive or downright criminal. But here's the thing, Billy Milligan existed. I suppose the question is: Did he have any sort of dissociative disorder; Was he blaming unrelated behaviour on a disorder; Or did he make up the excuse and fake it sufficiently well enough? I feel like the behaviour has not been broadly studied enough to clearly display the answers to those questions from the limited court cases we have so far. But I think it's at least clearer that people use the excuse of weird identity-stuff and amnesia way more in court. It's considered a valid defense that if your amnesic you cannot be held accountable for actions, and everything I've seen parsed so far implies that really shouldn't be the case.

if DIDers didn't want to have movies portraying them in this way, maybe they should stop being criminals and using DID as an excuse in court tulpas slapping their hosts' partner and hosts blaming their tulpas for that like the one from a few days ago doesn't give the right ring to plurality either

@Deleted User - jump Basing an entire group of people on the actions of a few is really not a good thing to support, whether or not these supposed criminals were effected by their disorder or not.

i was joking

I struggle with tone.

well, mostly joking

it's fine. I just didn't get it was a joke at first. Still wish stigmatization/demonization of plurality from major media would stop.

probably the joke would be more obvious if you knew i'm undergoing did treatment (edited)

ah, hope that goes well then!